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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 15, 2011 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Hi guys, First off this is just an observation and Not a criticisism. This is not a bash of any kind but I did find mE scrathing my head as how many covers they actually did.
Of these were the uaually susspects w/ Chuck Berry , Marty Robbins,Beatles, Steve Winwood and a bevy of obscure writers.I of course Googled to see if thet had this info and of course they did. They listed to my count Approx 77 odd mainstream and obscure tunes from variuous writers.Again I do not begrudge this against them but was a little taken back at the volume of cover tunes played live. W/ saying that most of there interpitations clearly are superior than the originals and interpitation is what music artists do. Learning more each day and quite frankly it is like a treasure hunt. On a different subject entirerly about the Bohemian Club. I just saw a History Chl show of Brad Meltzers" Decoded were his group tried to infiltrate the compound w/ no such luck. This one stange retreat w/ the most influential movers and shakers of the country and when any group is secretive it brings in the investigaters. About high power Jews being allowed to join I do think they are part of the club , after all us Jews are supposed to wield the most financial power in the country.Mostly in entertaiment and big banking so to exclude us Yids would be counter intuitive to their cause whatever it is. Reverting back to my opening line about covers they had to agument their shows which would soon become repeaters if all those covers were not happening to fill the gaps.....lw

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Jul 15, 2011 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

/when you play as many shows and for as many years as the Dead did and then factor in all the musical backgrounds these guys had as well as the cultural voice music had in the 60 and 70's - Im seriously suprised they did not play more covers.

Think about a band playing100+ shows in many years - some of their own material could get boring as a plyer. Add to it, they had no hits to speak which the audience would be coing to see.

you can only remember so many tunes to keep in rotation and keep them professional as possible - unless they are easy to remember - you love them - or just platorms to jam with easy chord progrtessions.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 15, 2011 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

it has been remarked that the GD are not an easily categorizable band, and not just in relation to the music, but to practically everything having to do with the band, the culture, the fanbase, etc.

as for the covers, well, they often crafted enjoyable - sometimes remarkable - interpretations of both trad. songs and contemporaneous popular songs, and as elbow mentioned, some serious duds as well (i will never purposely listen to any GD Beatles cover, for example)

but so what, many outstanding bands perform live covers; take for example the contemporary band Deer Tick: their live sets are often filled with covers, even performing under the name 'Deervana' and playing nothing but Nirvana songs; in other words, it's likely more common than not, and should not be interpreted that the band in question is a 'cover' band, as some would argue

in several respects the band is a study in contrasts, much like the fanbase, which while having some seriously intelligent and thoughtful followers, has as well more than a fair share of illiterate boobs

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Weren't we listening to this cover material just last Sunday?

http://www.archive.org/details/spanishbombs2011-07-02.flac16

I'd go see this.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 15, 2011 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

indeed we were, and i'm quite sure bluedevil would find it quite enjoyable as well

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 15, 2011 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Funny, but just last week I downloaded and burned Charlie Miller's transfer of The Clash World Music Fest set when Strummer tells the crowd to wake up and be ready for breakfest with the Grateful Dead. Thanks for the heads up. Wordsmith will want to check this out as well...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 15, 2011 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

i think i saw that CM transfer and had meant to download ... was that at LL or dime?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 15, 2011 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

LL.

Also got the 77 show from Switzerland that is considered among top 5 shows of all time by the Clash (yea, whatever), which I have not yet listend to. If you have any problems getting same, let me know and I can hook you up.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

I sent the link to wordsmith the other day when i found it.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 15, 2011 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

"If you don't like us, I've got the Grateful Dead in the wings and I'm going to bring them on. So you'd better shape up now!"

I grabbed Charlie's Jamaica Clash transfer back in May, and pretty damn good it is too.

I gave the Chuck Prophet Clash covers Larry linked for me a try and wasn't mightily impressed (sorry, Larry). Kind of like the Clash equivalent of DSO - maybe fun on the night but not really bringing anything new to the table and a bit pointless to listen to at home when you can have the real thing instead.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 15, 2011 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

http://www.deadheadland.com/tag/joe-strummer/

Thanks for giving me the correct quote. Makes me laugh every time. Damn, how I miss Joe. Really, really would have liked to have seen those guys have a chance to reunite.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jul 15, 2011 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

". . . and a bevy of obscure writers."

I believe many would argue that Merle Haggard, John Phillips, Kris Kristofferson, Willie Dixon, Bob Dylan, Marvin Gaye and Hank Williams are hardly "obscure Writers". I can see how Gary Davis, Lightnin' Hopkins, Elmore James and the rest of their 'bevy' might not be household names for many folks, but to countless music lovers around the globe, these writers also can hardly be labeled 'obscure'.

Critics, reviewers and pop music historians have called the Grateful Dead "the biggest American folk band", and "the biggest American dance band" for much of their run. I have to believe that the covers were a conscious effort on their part to foster and grow these types of reputations.

The band's choice of covers to supplement their vast repertoire of original - and at most times brilliant - material, is what made them a uniquely original live touring act for decades.

just my 2 cents worth.





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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 15, 2011 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

If not for the good ol' GD, I would've never have sunk my head and ears deep in the music of Mississippi John Hurt, Gus Cannon, the Memphis Jug Band, or Jimmie Rodgers.

There's only ever been one original song written in the history of music. They just keep rearranging the notes and words.

This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2011-07-15 23:03:12

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Which Chuck Berry and Beatles covers do you think were a superior interpretation to the original?

I think they did the covers because they had eclectic tastes in music and enjoyed playing old tunes that were influential to them. They just had a lot more influences than most. Somewhere on this site is a radio show from right after the first album was released and Phil and Jerry are spinning their favorite music while talking with a DJ. Check out some of the stuff they brought to the studio that day.

here is the link to the show:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-04-xx.prefm.vernon.9261.sbeok.shnf

I for one am glad they covered all these types of music. After hearing these songs I would become curious what the originals sounded like to see what was influencing the band. This has opened me up to all kinds of old and interesting music. Much which can be found here at the IA.

This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2011-07-15 17:25:22

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jul 15, 2011 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

I'm digging the Charles Lloyd Quartet piece here. Always a fan of Mister Mingus, but had not heard this Charles Lloyd before. Great stuff.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 15, 2011 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

You guys might think I'm nuts but most Dylan songs were better just taking Dylans voice out of the equation. Around
andAround I heard a version that blew me away and it was the
only time I heard them do ever ,it was a set 1 closer in Oakland.There are more tunes that I think are better and that's just a matter of opinion. Hank Williams vs The Dead I think the Dead get the edge. Me, as you guys might know I'm really not into set list whats a cover only how it comes across to me. It might be selfih but if I pay for a gig I would rather be entertained than bummed out or even worse leave.As for not knowing some of the writers I do not think many people if asked who Jesse Fuller,Ma Rainy,Cliff Carlisle,or Slim Harpo are so yeah my argument does have merit.....lw

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 15, 2011 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Here is a thread i started about 3 years ago on covers and the dead. I do think they took ownership of many of the songs they covered and I agree that Jerry's voice was an outstanding vehicle for Dylan's words. However in many cases you aren't comparing apples to apples as you opinion maybe biased by the fact that you might favor live music (since you are a dead fan, i'll assume this to be the case). Did you ever hear Hank Williams play live? This is why in this thread i threw out reggae covers. As for Chuck Berry, i like the covers but i do think they are covers not really interesting interpretations of the songs. Thats okay but I just don't see them as better than the originals. I think the covers that impress me the most are the traditional songs. Jack-a-Roe, Peggy-O, Rider etc. Songs that might have disappeared if the Dead did not take ownership (yeah, yeah, i know other bands also did Peggy-O, but not as good as this band!).

http://www.archive.org/post/205393/the-cover-band-dead-related


This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2011-07-15 23:01:46

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Poster: BasicBlack Date: Jul 15, 2011 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the most unoriginal original band in the world

Or just the World's greatest cover band? Just kidding.
Often I think the covers were played as a way to re-ground, if you will, an audience that had just taken a wild sonic journey. A little something familiar to remind us where we actually were, especially when used as teasers or segues within other jams.

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